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Romanians in usa

Postby Guest » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:44 am

hello Romanian fellows

i just wanted to ask something, an absurd thing maybe but it's not something new..

why people who live in usa (immigrant or american citizen) define themselves as american? for example take a Romanian as an example, he/she says he/she is american? but his/her roots come from Romania, why he/she denies his/her identity?
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Postby Shish-kabob-Forrest » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:49 am

Because they are citizens of America.

If I moved to Turkey, learned the language, became a citizen, established myself and raised a family there, I would call myself: "Turkish", because Turkey is my home.

It's no more complex or straightforward then that.
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The USA Bill of Rights

Postby webmaster » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:51 am

Shish-kabob-Forrest wrote:Because they are citizens of America.

If I moved to Turkey, learned the language, became a citizen, established myself and raised a family there, I would call myself: "Turkish", because Turkey is my home.

It's no more complex or straightforward then that.


Great answer, Shish.

Let me remind the people what these USA are all about, and why we chose to become Americans:

"Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the Fourth of March, one thousand
seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in
order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added:
And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its
institution

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled,
two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States,
as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of
the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by
Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

Article the first [Not Ratified]

After the first enumeration required by the first Article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for
every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so
regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one
Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two
hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two
hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.

Article the second [Amendment XXVII - Ratified 1992]

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an
election of Representatives shall have intervened.

Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.

Article the fourth [Amendment II]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear
Arms, shall not be infringed.

Article the fifth [Amendment III]

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of
war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Article the sixth [Amendment IV]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches
and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Article the seventh [Amendment V]

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or
indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual
service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in
jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just compensation.

Article the eighth [Amendment VI]

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of
the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously
ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the
witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance
of Counsel for his defence.

Article the ninth [Amendment VII]

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall
be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than
according to the rules of the common law.

Article the tenth [Amendment VIII]

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Article the eleventh [Amendment IX]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained
by the people.

Article the twelfth [Amendment X]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved
to the States respectively, or to the people.

ATTEST: Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg, Speaker of the House of Representatives "

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Re: Romanians in usa

Postby webmaster » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:19 am

turk wrote:hello Romanian fellows

i just wanted to ask something, an absurd thing maybe but it's not something new..

why people who live in usa (immigrant or american citizen) define themselves as american? for example take a Romanian as an example, he/she says he/she is american? but his/her roots come from Romania, why he/she denies his/her identity?


Dear Ataturk,

Unlike other countries (See Turkey, for instance), US does not force anybody to dismiss the old country. On the contrary, all who become US citizens are encouraged to bring the best of their native countries, and integrate within the US environment.

It is a concept that most of the European countries have a hard time understanding, obviously. Not to mention some more retarded countries such as Turkey, no matter how much Ataturk tried to bridge the gap between East and West. The handicaps are still present, therefore your question.
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Postby Shish-kabob-Forrest » Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:35 pm

You're thilly!
Blessed is he who shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is his brother's keeper. And I will strike down those who attempt to destroy my brothers and you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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You Thilly goose

Postby webmaster » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:44 am

Shish-kabob-Forrest wrote:You're thilly!


Not thillier than Sacramento
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